UFO expert Jeremy Corbell, accompanied by investigative journalist George Knapp, released a groundbreaking episode of “Weaponized,” featuring Dr. James Lacatski and Dr. Colm Kelleher. The episode revealed insider information that had never been shared before. Dr. Lacatski and Dr. Kelleher played pivotal roles in the operation of a UFO program funded by the US government for five years, with a total budget of $22 million.
Dr. James Lacatski is a retired DIA intelligence officer who set up the UFO program that ran from 2008 to 2010. In the early 2000s, he headed up the DIA annual missile threat assessment. He originally started the research out of concern that UFOs could pose a national security threat, specifically to U.S. missile defense systems. In the interview, he says the United States Government is in possession of a UFO and has accessed the inside of it.
In the interview, while addressing the events mentioned in the newly launched book “Inside the US Government Covert UFO Program Initial Revelations,” Dr. Lacatski clarified the differences between AAWSAP and AATIP. He stated that AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications Program) was created in collaboration with Senator Harry Reid at the DIA, with a budget of $22 million and the capacity to run for five years, though they completed their objectives in two years.
He further explains that the name AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) was not created by him but was chosen for a specific reason, which he did not disclose. The need for a different name arose from a document that indicated DIA’s receipt of funding, with “secret” written next to the program name. To avoid potential security concerns, a different name was necessary. It is implied that AAWSAP was the original name, and someone in Congress may have designated it as AATIP.
Dr. Lacatski discussed some of the intriguing aspects of UFO cases and their various designs. He mentions how some cases involved people reporting seeing the same UFO decades apart, which raises questions about time and the nature of these sightings.
Knapp brings up a particularly important revelation in the book regarding a craft of unknown origin that the government accessed the inside of. Dr. Lacatski confirms that the book contains an exact statement of the event that occurred within a congressional facility. However, he could not provide further details due to security concerns. He clarified that the DOD reviewed the book for release, and the wording was approved.
UFO & Its Inside
In Chapter 9 of the book, Dr. Lacatski reveals that the United States government possesses a craft of unknown origin and has successfully accessed its interior. This craft has a streamlined configuration suitable for aerodynamic flight but lacks conventional features like an engine, wings, intakes, exhaust, or fuel tanks.
Corbell presses for further confirmation, asking Dr. Lacatski if the government indeed has a UFO in its possession and has been reverse-engineering it, to which Dr. Lacatski affirms, “Yes.”
Knapp follows up with a question about the nature of this object, asking how they know it is a craft and not just a doorstop. Dr. Lacatski hints that there is more to the discussion that day, but they cannot delve into those details. However, he does mention that it is described in the book as looking “primitive.”
Corbell questions why this topic is considered delicate, given that the United States government possesses a UFO and has been reverse engineering it. Dr. Lacatski explains that the sensitivity arises from the presence of adversaries and competitors who may be monitoring the information. He emphasizes that the government cannot say more than what they have been approved to share due to security concerns.
In fact, Lacatski asserted that there is no reason for humanity to fear potential non-human intelligence, provided that the human species discovers its full capabilities, stating: “If full human capabilities were known to us right now, it is not something that we need to fear.”He added: “Our capabilities have never been fully revealed. And we’re still learning; we’ve got a long way to evolve still.”
Dr. Lacatski then shifts the focus to the questions raised in his previous books, particularly “Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders’ Account of the Secret Government UFO Program.” He points out that they have posed questions about why the program was started, why it ended, and certain unexplained meetings with high-level officials from other countries. He suggests that reading between the lines is crucial but warns that there may be multiple answers or no clear-cut bottom line.
“So the thing is, we can’t say anything more than what we’ve been approved to say, and there’s insight to this. But I want to shift it just slightly, but it shows my point: Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders’ Account of the Secret Government UFO Program, if I might use the shorter title on this new book, has what I would call zingers in it. But it has some interesting doors that have not even been mentioned. One, why was this program started? Two, why was this program ended? And we’ve raised this partially, and Skin Walkers at the Pentagon, did it end? Also, we had a chapter in Skin Walkers at the Pentagon where we met with a high-level Brazilian official at a meeting started introducing some of our cohorts, and no one ever asked us, why did you have that meeting? What was so important about that meeting? You know, there’s a lot of material in there that, as Kit Green, Dr. Kit Green, one of our consultants on the asset program, said, ‘Read between the lines.’ That applies both to Skin Walkers at the Pentagon and Initial Revelations. Read between the lines. Now, you may come to the wrong conclusions, and I can tell you, on the topics I just read to you, you don’t have enough information to come to the correct answers
David Grusch is credible but there are forged documents
Corbell brings up the fact that former US intelligence officer David Grush testified before Congress, and many were hoping that Dr. Lacatski would testify as well. Dr. Lacatski responds that he does not know Mr. Grush and has never met him. When asked about the credibility of Grush’s claims, Dr. Lacatski refrains from making any definitive statements but mentions that he personally did not witness any illegal activities during his time in the program. He acknowledges that Grush’s claims are reasonable but does not confirm or dispute them.
Corbell probes further about Grush’s claims, particularly regarding UFOs and reverse engineering. Dr. Lacatski responds that he cannot provide any additional information on certain topics, including biological aspects, due to security reasons. “I can’t answer…no, that goes back to something that occurred, a similar question, very similar to your question. It wasn’t asked by you, but it was asked to Colm, and he said, ‘We found no smoking gun. That is the standard answer we’re to give,” Dr. Lacatski says.
Corbell expresses his curiosity about the reasons behind the secrecy and alludes to a sense of suspicion among the public. He speculates whether the reasons for withholding certain information might be dark or disturbing.
Dr. Lacatski replies, “If you want my opinion on that, I see no darkness at all here. Basically, there were some considerable write-ups on the skinwalker at the Pentagon that our program was stopped due to religious concerns from the far right. Well, if there were, I knew nothing about that. I saw no evidence of that being true. But people can say whatever they want on the internet, apparently. And that was not, that was not—I did not witness any of that. And I think that that’s come up in some of these Congressional hearings.”
Corbell asks if David Grush’s information is considered credible by Dr. Lacatski, to which he responds, “I do,” implying that the information is credible. Dr. Lacatski mentions that Grush worked with someone he knows and trusts in the UAP Task Force, indicating that there’s a level of trust in the source. However, he brings up the phenomenon where individuals can genuinely believe in and talk about things that are factually incorrect.
Corbell emphasizes that Grush has talked about tangible and physical aspects, such as program names and the locations of UFOs, along with the involvement of individuals who worked on these “Legacy UFO programs.” Dr. Lacatski confirms the existence of Legacy UFO programs and mentions the presence of forged documents.
Dr. Lacatski mentions that AAWSAP has also faced similar challenges, with certain documents being misrepresented as genuine. He highlights the closed and secretive nature of AAWSAP, comparing it to the way SAPs (Special Access Programs) operate. Only a select few within the program were aware of its existence, and it was structured to limit exposure to external influences and political inquiries.
He points out that the documents that have emerged over time as forgeries have no official endorsement or validation. It is not clear why these forgeries were created, and Dr. Lacatski suggests that if they were part of a Counter Intelligence effort, it might not have been very effective. He emphasizes that their work is based on real, verifiable references.